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eliwhitney Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:13 am

Hi gbapps ...

.... you HAD essentially the best HDTV available.

Legitimate 3D will soon become economically available ... most likely, still w/ some sort of glasses needed - BUT - NOT today.

You need to go BACK to plasma / view closer or get a much larger display & 'give up' on all the [.. automotions! ..} None are "3D!"

It appears that you are too influenced by these .... "everyone says that this is the tv geeks set" .... claims ? LED sets have not yet proven to be that!

Many have extremely-limited field-of-view { only good seating is the sweet spot directly in front}, etc..

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gbapps Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:27 am

eli, which one did i have that was the best hdtv available??? this samnung's pic blows whatever i had in the past away. not even close. i have a pioneer plasma in the bedroom still and i wont even watch tv in there unless i have to. im not caught up on the terms, i just know what i see and was wondering what the feature is that allows this amazing pic. that all. thanx for your input and advice though.

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Richard Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:26 am

the thing that i fell in love with with the led was that everything seemed so close and 3-d like, especially outdoor moving imagery. i was told it was the automotionplus, which the one i have now has also but it doesnt seem as much as the led. does anyone know if the automotionplus is what causes that 3d look, as if your watching something that was filmed thru a video camera, the way things move seems more lifelike. i feel that even though people said that the one i have now is the better tv, this look that im looking for was noticed more on the led. thanks for your help.


Sorry to tell you gbapps but you have fallen in love with the artificial eye candy of motion flow processing. This process has nothing to do with hi-fidelity imaging as it destroys that very attribute by its function and purpose.

You say you want the best picture possible but that does not appear to be based on references such as film in your local theater and reproducing that correctly but rather your personal perception and preference of how it should be. The advice you received about your current Samsung being a geek TV or videophile TV was based on hi-fidelity reproduction.

Further reading
Waveform 09A Motion Blur and 120hz LCD Frame Rate Processing
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10552

The various .. 120 / 240 .. versions of "automotion" available are to aid in the reduction of LCD rapid motion blurring


While it was originally inferred that motion processing was supposed to reduce or eliminate the fine detail blur of LCD nobody has designed their motion flow processing to achieve that. All are dealing with removing motion blur in the original content along with the reduction of low frame rate strobing from 24 and 30 frame sources due to the higher contrast ratio of LCD making this far more visible. At CEDIA a DLP front projection manufacturer was displaying their new motion processing widget; it wasn’t because of a fine detail blur problem with DLP!

Speaking of your comment about boxes putting out 480, 720 or 1080, I wonder how many people set the output to 1080 even when the native resolution of their display is 720?


Hardly anybody owns a true 720p so this is mostly irrelevant. Hmm... could write a fairly lengthy article on the pro and cons of various output scan rate settings. My response without the lengthy backup explanation; set for 1080i because the majority of HD channels are 1080i rather than 720p. You would need to be a videophile geeks-ville sports nut with a real 720p display trying to keep it all native to justify the other possible problems encountered with a global 720p output or switched native output setting. Topping all that off is the fact that mass distribution and broadcast has yet to meet the full artifact free capability of the system.

As for Best Buy ISF calibrators I can’t tell you if they did a good job or not. I can tell you there is reason to suspect any service provided by Best Buy because their goal is to make the most amount of money in the most efficient way; note not a word about quality. The Magnolia branding is not about the leaders of Best Buy being inspired to provide quality products and services they can be proud of and blowing you away with a high performance response; it is about maintaining and/or expanding market position and volume, pure survival. It is also about having the capability to sell a manufacturers upper tier lines. I heard through the grape vine Sony is currently trying to get the small mom and pop A/V performance specialty stores to take on these upper tier lines and slowly get them out of big discount merchant stores, like Best Buy, to increase volume for those lines.

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gbapps Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:57 pm

thanx for all your input, im also wondering if the quality of hdmi can make a big difference in the hd picture as well?

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eliwhitney Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:01 am

hi gbapps . . only more tech geek silliness!

You certainly must develop a means of separating the typical HDTV marketing "Nonsense" from legitimate engineering Facts!

Read This, pls - - - http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/packing_the_deal/

Try to avoid the HYPE of only obtaining .. "The Best Connection by using $150 or +/ea from M...!"

As long as it is a certified 1.3 version @ a legitimate supply house, all the under $8 Web Site HDMI cables are technically the very same!

Even Monster can not alter the physics of the speed-of-light !

eli {links} =

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/hdmi-cables/index.htm

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024004&p_id=3661&seq=1&format=2

http://www.mycablemart.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=6

p.s. - - - a very inexpensive "experiment" WILL demonstrate the quality {or lack of} of your "HD" Cable feed. Just obtain a appropriate Outside Antenna for your ZIP, connect it w/ Only Quad RG-6 directly to that RF input to "see" the best P.Q. that your HDTV can produce!

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akirby Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:11 am

gbapps wrote:thanx for all your input, im also wondering if the quality of hdmi can make a big difference in the hd picture as well?


Absolutely not. The HDMI cable is similar to your ethernet cable on your computer. If you're looking at photos on the internet - does the quality change with the quality of your ethernet cable? Of course not. It's digital. You either have the signal or you don't - it doesn't change based on the electrical properties of the cable.

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film11 Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:30 am

Yes, it is definitely the auto-motion controls that gives the type of image you are describing. If you set the blur reduction to 10 and judder reduction to 0, then the 3-D "video" look will change to the more standard image that most are used to.

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