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Thanks Rodolfo, I very much appreciate your input on the matter.
Regards,
Hugh
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From: "Rodolfo La Maestra" <
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To: "HDTV Magazine" <
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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: 1080i over components
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> Hugh,
>
> I am busy but I have to stop this ball.
>
> I went to the same booth 3 times, I disagree with this reporter.
>
> First of all no one that understands the concepts of resolution and HDTV
> could expect to notice
> differences on a 42" plasma viewing from 10 feet away, it is too far away
> to make judgments on such
> small screen.
>
> Second, the two plasma panels where not the new 1080p panels, the new 50"
> 1080p panel was across
> that setup (and he never mentions that), connected to a Blu-ray Elite
> player, the panels where the
> typical 1366x768, meaning a 1080x1920 content would be cut quite
> drastically horizontally and
> vertically (50% to be exact in temporal and spatial resolution), remember
> the content was 1080x1920p
> at 24 fps not 1080i 30.
>
> The plasma that showed the regular DVD version was obviously showing a
> degraded image, and I mean so
> degraded that it looked as they have tweaked the setup (and I told them
> that, pointing to all the
> uncommon DVD type of video imperfections) to show at its worst compared to
> the Blu-ray source, it
> actually looked like 480i horribly upscaled/deinterlaced within the plasma
> (not 480p coming from the
> player) and displayed with an intentional uncalibrated panel with strong
> contrast to accentuate the
> imperfections.
>
> Blue-ray could never have shown well the 2 million pixels it has on a
> panel that is limited to 1
> million.
>
> I wonder what this reporter knowledge is of what he/she writes, it is
> certainly the wrong person to
> write about, he obviously did not bother to check anything of the viewing
> systems he was witnessing.
>
> The best way to see 1080p content is on a 1080p set/plasma at the proper
> distance, he did not bother
> to do that.
>
> I am sorry that CNet has endorsed the article you read, it shows lack of
> knowledge on the
> technology, ignorance on the rules of viewing different resolutions, not
> to mention not checking the
> setup configuration of what he is viewing to make sure it was a fair
> comparison.
>
> Regarding your Elite TV (still excellent IMOP), it will also be unfair to
> judge a true 1080x1920p
> image on a set that has the limitations of CRT RPTV (in your case not more
> than 1400 lines of
> horizontal resolution in the best day, plus the vertical interlaced
> artifacts, the aliasing, Kell
> factor, etc ), a 480x720 good hi-bit DVD could look impressive compared to
> HD because you have not
> seen all what 1080p HD can show yet, vertically and horizontally.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rodolfo La Maestra
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf Of
> Hugh Campbell
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:10 AM
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> Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>
>
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> Just read a piece on CNET.com regarding the difference between Blu-Ray and
> 480p which is in line with what I wrote below. In any event here are the
> comments from that piece. With this said I will be one of the first to
> buy
> whichever format looks like it will win assuming sufficient software.
> Just
> food for thought.
>
> "Probably the most interesting demo I saw at this year's show was
> Pioneer's
> display of two 42-inch plasmas side by side: one showing a DVD, the other
> a
> Blu-ray disc. I'm not sure what point the company was trying to make, but
> it
> was clear that if you stood about 8 to 10 feet back from the
> displays--normal viewing distance--it was pretty hard to tell the
> difference
> between the two movies. When you got within 3 feet of the screens, you
> could
> see that the Blu-ray movie was sharper, but it wasn't a huge leap.
> Pioneer,
> of course, is on the Blu-ray bandwagon, and its player won a Best of Show
> award in the home-video category, but the company rep agreed with my
> assessment that owning a Blu-ray player (or HD-DVD....ed. note) really
> made
> sense only for those with TVs of 50 inches or larger."
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hugh Campbell" <
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> To: "HDTV Magazine" <
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> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:35 PM
> Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>
>
>> Jason, yes but when I view D-VHS vs 480p I don't see that huge of a
>> difference. Better yes, but not along the lines of HD vs SD. Maybe it's
>> the movies I've used for comparison or perhaps D-VHS at 1080i is just not
>> that great. I'm hoping 1080p will really make a
>> difference............assuming we are able to buy movies in that format.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jason Burroughs" <
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>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <
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>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: 1080i over components
>>
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>>> Hugh, actually aren't you talking about watching 1080i vs 480p on your
>>> TV?
>>> That should be quite a difference!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Hugh Campbell
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:06 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: 1080i over components
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>>> I've got the same problem but I can't believe they will release either
>>> player and not have it be able to output 1080i over component. Too many
>>> prospective customers with component only inputs. Of course the PQ
>>> difference is not all that great, not like HD vs SD, so I can wait. But
>>> since they can't agree on one format who knows what they may do.
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: "Walt Moody" <
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>>> To: "HDTV Magazine" <
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>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: 1080i over components
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>>>> Sounds like we're in literally the same boat! I own the same set, a
>>>> WS65711, ISF calibrated and if I get rid of it, it will be for a
>>>> dedicated
>>>
>>>> room with a 1080p projector and a new audio system. I'd like to believe
>>>> I'll see an HD picture at home from a disc before it comes to that.
>>>>
>>>> Walt
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>Believe me I sympathize. I own a 2002 65" Mits Diamond and the picture
>>>>>is
>>>>>absolutely beautiful, particularly since I had it calibrated. It's
>>>>>been
>>>>>killing me thinking about the fact that I won't be able to take
>>>>>advantage
>>>>>of
>>>>>the new HD players using that set. I also purchased a 51" Hitachi with
>>>>>DVI
>>>>>in so that I wouldn't be cut out completely. But the situation in
>>>>>plain
>>>>>English, SUCKS!
>>>>>
>>>>>Anthony R.
>>>>>Orlando, FL
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
>>>>>Of
>>>>>M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:31 PM
>>>>>To: HDTV Magazine
>>>>>Subject: Re: 1080i over components
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>>>>>
>>>>>About 6 years. I've seen it crop up several times in that span, but
>>>>>figured I would answer since the question was asked. Also, I own one
>>>>>of
>>>>>those older Mits (WS55805).
>>>>>
>>>>>The "conflicting information" I referred to relates to the new HD-DVD
>>>>>drive. Rodolfo and I received conflicting sets of information when we
>>>>>talked to their representatives at CES about whether 1080i was
>>>>>supported
>>>>>over component output. We are trying to verify that now and should have
>>>>>a
>>>>>(more) definitive answer soon.
>>>>>
>>>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>Ok, I'm not criticizing anyone and perhaps you and Walt are newer to
>>>>>the
>>>>>list than I thought, but we have been having this debate for over two
>>>>>years
>>>>>and the conclusion has always been the same, no HD over component. I
>>>>>have
>>>>>made the argument numerous times that it is unwise for the
>>>>>manufacturers
>>>>>to
>>>>>take this posistion as it will cut out at least thirty percent of their
>>>>>potential market and end up pissing off a lot of consumers etc, etc.
>>>>>Richard Fisher, myself and others even talked about a potential class
>>>>>action
>>>>>law suit against Mitsubishi for failing to make their sets upgradeable
>>>>>to
>>>>>DVI / HDMI. How long have you been a subscriber?
>>>>>
>>>>>Anthony R.
>>>>>Orlando, FL
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: HDTV Magazine On Behalf
>>>>>Of
>>>>>M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:52 PM
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>>>>>Subject: Re: 1080i over components
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>>>>>
>>>>>There is conflicting information at the moment. But if I were a
>>>>>manufacturer, I would want to ensure that as many existing HDTV
>>>>>customers
>>>>>could use my product as possible. And since only a fraction of current
>>>>>HDTV's are DVI-D or HDMI-capable ... that would eliminate a section of
>>>>>the
>>>>>market. My TV, for example, only has component inputs. So I can tell
>>>>>you
>>>>>100% that I will not be buying an HD-DVD drive if it doesn't do HD
>>>>>resolutions via component output. And thanks to DMCA, I can't even buy
>>>>>a
>>>>>device anymore to do D-to-A since it would have to defeat copy
>>>>>protection
>>>>>to do so ... assuming I even wanted another conversion in my video.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rodolfo, anything to add? I know you were looking into this as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>-- M. Shane Sturgeon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>Did anyone at CES get any solid intel on whether or not Blu-Ray or
>>>>>HD-DVD will end up allowing 1080i over the component outs? This will
>>>>>have a large influence over the direction I take with my HT as my
>>>>>current RPTV lacks either DVI or HDMI inputs. As I see it right now, I
>>>>>will get no benefit in my current system unless I can get 1080i over
>>>>>the
>>>>>component outs or the players have analog outs for DD-HD or DTS-HD.
>>>>>Don't misunderstand, I'm anxious foir the formats. That's the whole
>>>>>point, 1080i component outs would allow me to enjoy either format a lot
>>>>>sooner.
>>>>>
>>>>>Walt
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