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Interview...

8-VSB - A Few Good Words
An Interview With Glenn Reitmeier
Sarnoff Research Center
by Dale Cripps
controversy has broken out over the utility of the single carrier 8-VSB transmission system. Sinclair Broadcast Group has petitioned the FCC to include the COFDM modulation in the US standard. COFDM is the multi-carrier system favored in Europe and elsewhere. Proponents of 8-VSB say that despite poor first generation receivers their system does meet all the broadcast requirements. Billions of dollars have been spent for its development but little has been spent by the US consumer to acquire it.
In contrast, the UK's ONdigital is a COFDM pay DTV terrestrial service provider that secured 552,000 subscribers in one year. This was mostly to meet the demand for an expansion of channels rather than a transition to HDTV, The Financial Times of January 11, 2000, reported a surge in sales of widescreen digital television for Christmas, however, with many retailing for over $1000. CEA reported just over 100,000 DTV-ready sets have been sold in the USA. No one knows how many ATSC decoders were also sold, though the common industry guesstimate is under 25,000 .
Without a clear way forward the broadcasters in the U.S.A. could end up being less relevant in the digital revolution then they once had hoped they would be. With Time-Warner being absorbed by AOL, the spotlight remains on the wired and connected world. Some think the mobile wireless connected world is next, and is as significant as is the wired world, making then broadcasting an enriched sector if they participate beyond the their traditionally stationary audience. This view of broadcasting using its core competency in terrestrial transmission services for entering a broader market with a new set of applications has itself become the centerpeice of the controversy over the modulation system. Some in broadcasting say they are better off focusing upon the programming--certainly exemplified with the tremendous success of "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" than they are in banking on a business notion (enabled by digital) that doesn't even exist yet.
But the Sinclair challenge, which says COFDM is superior to 8-VSB for all of today's business models in broadcasting, has created a near-paralysis in the consumer and professional manufacturing circles. "Can we afford to go forward if there is a derailment ahead?" That question haunts manufacturers with whom have we spoken at the CES last January 6-9. The greatest fear is that the FCC will open the standard with first a fresh call for Comments to the Sinclair Petition. Many worry that such a move would lead to an inevitable opening of a door that cannot hope to be shut for at least three years. Such a pause would halt the entry of broadcasting into the digital revolution--some say permanently. "That is the objective of Sinclair." is the denfense line from CEA. Sinclair says that a fast track through the FCC process is possible if just everyone one comes to their senses at the same time. Lynn Claudy at the NAB concedes that a year is the shortest possible time for evaluating and testing which COFDM system should be tapped--the DVB-T version modified to 6MHz from Europe, or the more recent entry from Japan.
Larger manufacturers, such as Panasonic, have invested heavily in 8-VSB but also make COFDM products for other markets. Panasonic said to HDTV News Online at the CES that a market-led change to COFDM at this early stage would not be overly consequential. While the ATSC in Washington, D.C. has a very clear responsibility to stick with 8-VSB, many members we approached appear less fixed. Zenith has the most too gain or loose, but they too are not without the understanding that a robust consumer market for DTV products is better than one strangled to death by public and professional confusions. Zenith's new financial partner--Lucky Goldstar--is also a COFDM product supplier.
Zenith had been asked by the ATSC to show definitively that 8-VSB works to meet the stated requirements. Sinclair can be given credit for showing that the 1st generation receivers were bad, but, according to Zenith and the ATSC's leadership, they have failed completely to make the case that a bad first generation of receivers equals a bad transmission system. Zenith has answered with demonstrations in Las Vegas and in a wintery two-day session in Washington last week using improved receivers. What they have shown indicates that the 8-VSB works well--perhaps works even better than does the international challenger--COFDM.
Zenith demonstrated this first in room 464 of the Hilton Hotel to invited guests, the press, and the FCC. The demonstration, complete with documenation handouts, offered a clear indication that second generation 8-VSB receivers are substantially improved over the first generation. The superiority of 8-VSB in reach, power usage, and impulse noise tolerance was shown in a controlled closed loop system rather than real world (impossible to set u in Vegas). The apparently lesser performance from the challenger left most visitors believing again in 8-VSB.
Skeptics and COFDM advocates reacted, however, to the demonstrations by stepping-up their attacks on the 8-VSB standard. They claimed in E-mail after E-mail that these "tests" were faulty, and highly deceptive (rigged). While those advocates were not convinced the new Zenith tests managed to calm some of the anxious broadcasters who were genuinely fearful of the worst, i.e., that ATSC had made a terrible mistake in selecting 8-VSB. Others disagreed, and sent to the FCC encouragement to seek comments. Field reports from those who have already installed transmitters for HDTV are very mixed with few having the same complaints as Sinclair. Motives for Sinclair's actions have been questioned and requestioned by those not experiencing the same grief.
The more zealot supporters of COFDM think that a world standard may at last come with the sweeping in of COFDM in the USA. That, they claim, will lower costs for the whole of the global television market and, thus, speed the digital transition around the world. Others disagree, saying that economies of scale do not have an infinite curve, and the US market is large enough to arrive at any economies needed for achieving the lowest-cost in manufacturing.
The following interview is with one of the bright stars of the HDTV movement--Glenn Reitmeier. The interview may shed some light on 8-VSB for you, and show where it stands in the Pantheon of the digital transmission standards.
Before you make any "final decisions" (hello Regis) on this serious controversy I urge you to read this interview. Glenn has done as much research and development on the subject as anyone. His company--David Sarnoff Research Center--has played a central role in television and communications electronics since its founding in the 1930s.
"While multipath and dynamic multipath is certainly not an issue to be ignored, it is not a singularly important issue when you look at the overall consideration that goes into the choice of a terrestrial modulation scheme."
Glenn Reitmeier
HDTV NEWS: What is the American case for staying the course with 8-VSB modulation?
Glenn: From the very beginning we have seen these two different modulation schemes. In theory we may say they have both improved a little from their theoretical limits. Given what we know now would 8-VSB be chosen again if the process were to be repeated? Everyone was certainly aware of COFDM technology during the Grand Alliance process. Even in the Advisory Committee OFDM was studied and looked at extensively by a committee of experts headed up by John Henderson, who did a very thorough study of OFDM.
All of us in the Grand Alliance were certainly aware of the work going on in Europe and the attributes of OFDM. Many of us in different places in our corporations and partners had experience with OFDM solutions. If you look at the selection process there were a dozen different criteria that governed the selection for the right modulation technique to use.
One of the primary selection criteria was the replication of the current
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One of the primary selection criteria was the replication of the current NTSC coverage area while at the same time having a minimum impact on the existing NTSC audience
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NTSC coverage area while at the same time having a minimum impact on the existing NTSC audience. Remember that in this country we are simulcasting (by) using the taboo channels. Anything we do with the power levels in that taboo channel is going to interfere with our existing NTSC audience.
Among the most powerful attributes of VSB is its ability to achieve the nominal 55 mile UHF coverage radius at a system carrier-to-noise (c/n) threshold of approximately 15 1/2 db. If you look at COFDM's performance, which is optimized for solving the multipath problem, you find it has a system threshold c/n significantly higher. That means at the same level of interference into an existing audience we need to settle for a greatly reduced coverage area or, conversely, if we turn the power up to equalize the coverage area, we are going to have a BIG interference problem with our existing analog television audience.
From a personal point of view I would be the first one to say that OFDM has very good advantages for a single-frequency network with multiple transmitter towers spread across the country (where tower replication is a relatively easy thing to do). However, that is neither the regulatory spectrum management environment we have here, nor is it the business environment we have here where, by and large, corresponding to a single transmitter and a 55 to 70 mile coverage is an individual business that provides service to a metropolitan area (not a nation-wide service).
There are technical, political, and economic factors which go into a larger picture from the overall public policy point of view.
If you want to go back to just the technical...let me rattle off some of the system characteristics...
- System threshold carrier to noise -- one of the primary considerations.
- Interference into existing service --another primary consideration
- The data rate capability was still another
- Robustness to impulse noise was another important characteristic
- Robustness to adjacent channel interference from both analog and digital systems (since we are tightly packing the spectrum) was also very important one. The requirements there on tuner performance and costs were a characteristic
- Robustness to co-channel interference -- both analog and digital -- were additional criteria that all had to be met with satisfactory performance.
While multipath and dynamic multipath is certainly not an issue to be ignored, it is not a singularly important issue when you look at the overall consideration that goes into the choice of a terrestrial modulation scheme.
If we had to do it all over--drag out all of that data again--I think, by-and-large we would chose 8-VSB and decide to let technology and integrated circuit technology solve the dynamic multipath problem. Receiver technology can solve that. Receiver technology and IC technology is not going to solve a fundamental physics, power, and interference problem, which is a result of spectrum management problem. Let's count on Moore's law to help solve these problems.
What are some of those solutions today we see with the Motorola and NxtWave chips? What are we likely to see in the near future?
We all know about Moore's law, of course. We look at the original and famous "blue rack" Grand Alliance system that led us to chose the 8-VSB for the US standard...The performance of that VSB system was certainly good enough to convince us all that it was an appropriate solution. But in the past three or four years since the standard was set we have seen some pretty good and solid advances in terms of different solutions coming to market with the ability to handle different degrees of dynamic multipath as well as other signal impairment conditions.
| If we had to do it all over--drag out all of that data again--by-and-large I think we would chose 8-VSB and decide to let technology and integrated circuit technology solve the dynamic multipath problem. |
Fundamentally that happens because people can build long equalizers--which is a lot of add and multiply complex multiplication and complex filtering on a chip. Fundamentally your ability to put fast transistors on a chip governs your ability to do that. So we have seen the silicon technology advance where you can have longer and faster equalizers and simultaneously we have seen people be able to use that silicon technology effectively in terms of better and better algorithms for handling these various transmission impairments.
HDTV NEWS: Are we going to be able to have some kind of portability where people may be moving about?
We see products like that on the market already. There are several products from personal computer manufacturers with plug in cards for PCs...there are people who are working on receiver cards and antenna solutions for lap top computers.
You can always find a place where a wireless signal won't work. You find that with cell phones all the time. Does that mean people don't buy cell phones? No. It means that if it doesn't work I have learned that I have to move over three feet and it works. Just because they have to do that does not mean we should abandon cell phones or revisit the cell phone standard. So, I don't think this is any different actually.
I don't want to get into the motives of those in opposition to us, but it is not being fair to highlight one single technical attribute when there are very different trade-offs that get made in the design of a modulation system. It is not a free lunch where you can focus on one issue. If we
The industry has already spent billions of dollars getting product to that standard in the market.
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were to go back and do a thorough re-evaluation I would be we would chose 8-VSB again.
HDTV NEWS:: I recall that NBC was a supporter of COFDM. What happened to that support?
They were looking at that through the Advisory Committee. To their credit they recognized that it was a viable technology being used in Europe and encouraged its study and evaluation in the Advisory committee and done in a very responsible way as part of the process at that time. Right now it is a little confusing why we don't just look back at that data. There is really nothing new here in terms of the trade-offs or what COFDM does well or does not do well. We have all been down this road before. I would rather see the industry moving on, focusing on delivering solutions to the standard we have. The industry has already spent billions of dollars getting product to that standard in the market.
HDTV NEWS:: Is it really billions, or hundreds of millions?
No, it's billions. It just has to be. Just look at the number of products and understand the investment that goes into the silicon for feeding those numbers of products. Count the investments in silicon as well as product design. It is very clearly in the billions of dollars.
How do you fell when you hear people say that the ATSC process was kind of rigged...ACATS was packed....people with an honest opinion were shoved aside...everyone was steam rolled into a position few agreed with. Does that rancor you a little bit?
It rancorous me a lot. I have been in this business for almost 25 years. I have participated in forming a lot of standards going back to the 601 standard with SMPTE and the EBU. I have been involved with standards my whole career. Frankly, I have never seen a standards process that was as thorough or as open as the eight year long process that led us to where we are now. You have to take a look at who is making those kinds of aspersions and seeing if they are people who really participated in the process or in a position to judge its fairness or openess or whether it is more the case of "Johnny-come-lately."
HDTV NEWS:: On a more fair criticism the computer industry was not what it is today when this started...
That is not true at all. The computer industry has representatives involved with the very first phase of these debates. There was a working party on interoperabilty which went back to 1991. In fact, interoperability and computing considerations were a very important chapter and aspect of the final special panel process in 1993, even before the Grand Alliance.
There were ten selection criteria identified during the competitive phase of the process. I am not sure I can get all of those. They are in the ACATS records. They certainly included "picture quality, coverage area, interferrence, transmission robustness, interoperability, extensibility (for future services), scope of services provided by a particular solution, as well as receiver costs, broadcast equipment costs."
We looked at the competitive systems and it was a very comprehensive ranking and reporting according to those selection criteria. The Advisory commmitee asked, "what are the criteria we are going to use." Then they asked how do the systems rate against those criteria? How do we objectively test against those criteria. We went through that process...the different systems had pluses and minuses, of course, and then we got to the Grand Alliance situation where we were going to cooperate to form the single best of the best.
Franky, the Grand Alliance was held to the standard of being superior to any one of the best competing system using the same ten criteria. The Grand Alliance system was better than any alternative anywhere in the world at the time a decision had to be made.
HDTV NEWS:: Is it still?
I believe it is still so.
HDTV NEWS:: There are those who say we have made a mistake in not taking into account a tiered system.
Like OFDM, this idea of layered systems and tiers isn't new. People were thinking and working on those things for a long time. They were part of the process way back in the origin.
In the very first competitive days in 1990 and 1991 our proposal of Advanced Digital HDTV as well as the Zenith proposal (Digital Spectrum Compatible HDTV) had sort of a two tiered scaleable system. We (Advanced Digital HDTV) had a fixed bit rate and two carriers. Zenith switched between 2 and 4 VSB modulation with a variable data rate.
One of the things that were brought home clearly with the broadcasters' evaluation of competiting systems is that they were not willing to pay any penalty -- ANY penalty for graceful degradation or tiered services. Actually, the uniformity of a digital system throughout the entire coverage area was the key thing they were looking for as that was important to "advertising." As we formed the Grand Alliance system the two-tiered notion--very clever and innovative solutions--was actually abandoned as the Grand Alliance moved forward. We still settled on the pioneering aspects of Advanced Digital HDTV (a little plug here for my company). In reading the proponent documents you would easily see that layered architecture and MPEG packetization and data broadcasting, as well as multiple formats, was the legacy of Sarnoff/AD-HDTV. We are tremendously pleased that those aspects were so widely recognized and valued by the industry, and became such an important part of the Grand Alliance system.
HDTV NEWS:: This current cry for that....why do you think it is there?
I don't want to speculate on motives. I think there are some different assumptions that get made in terms of how people use technology in the computing industry vs the television industry. In general, if you look at the computing industry, there is a product put out with the expectation that it gets better next year, and then again better the next year, etc. So, the capability (of computer products) evolves over a period of time.
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It is one of the most powerful thing we could give to the broadcasters to enable them to compete in the digital world.
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With consumer electronics it is the opposite way. In consumer electronics the standard itself last for a long time. Why? Because consumers demand longevity in that marketplace. What happens in consumer electronics is that the product gets cheaper.
Remember the $1500 VCRs and the $2000 CD players? What tends to happen in the CE industry is that the technology that advances is applied to reducing costs. You have a very different product evolution velocity in the computer industry vs the traditional consumer electronics industry.
Let me use the example of the decoders and receiver solutions that have resulted from the joint efforts of Motorola and Sarnoff. As you know we collaborated to design a two chip chip set. Part of that is an innovative decoder, which uses a reduced memory decoding approach to break the cost barriers of high-definition decoding. That is a perfect example of new inventions and new algorithms, and new decoding techniques that have been invested in and made very specifically to reduce costs.
HDTV NEWS:: The internet came in full force in the middle of all of this. Some people say that, "well this standard is very much an analog legacy and doesn't represent the future."
I am sorry I am laughing. In the beginning when we went digital we were accused of being nuts by the analog guys. Now the computer folks call me an analog guy.
HDTV NEWS:: Here we are in a world where the IP is a big deal. Is the ATSC standard up to snuff there?
It is one of the most powerful thing we could give to the broadcasters to enable them to compete in the digital world. I say this for the following reasons. This goes back to the tremendous flexibility in the ATSC standard to combine standard definition and to have high-definition services in other times of the day. We have data broadcasting because of the packetization. Let's not get hung up about what the modulation is. Let's think of the services that we are going to offer. Let's think of how this wireless broadcasting complements the world of streaming media in the Internet. You know the Internet is not going to go away. It is going to grow. The companies that are going to be successful are going to be those who figure out how to take their content and corporate assets and apply them in both places.
The technologies involved are not competitive, they are tremendously complimentary. When you think about the niche and narrowcasting capabilities and the ability to individualize content that happens on the Internet...when you think about the economies of scale and the power of mass communications that happens in broadcasting. We know there have to be very powerful ways to combine those two things and have the best of both. What it takes is having an open mind and looking for the business opportunities and not getting hung up on some of the ferver that often colors our opinion about whether one is better than the other. Broadcasting is a different thing than the Internet.
HDTV NEWS: Whatever broadcasting can do to compliment the Internet is incorporated in the ATSC standard?
It sure is. That has a lot to do with a lot of those things we pioneered many years ago.
HDTV NEWS: In waking up in the middle of the night and thinking it all over, what would you like to have incorporated in the standard today that is not in it now? Or, do you have complete satisfaction in it?
You can always think of those little things where you think you could have done a little better. You think, gee, this number would have been a little better of this better. But those are second or third order things. I think what we have in the ATSC standard is such a tremendously powerful and flexible standard that we have positioned the broadcast industry to compete in the digital world. Frankly, some will compete and survive and adopt new business models and figure out to compliment the web and streaming media with their traditional broadcasting bits and others won't get it and go by the wayside.
Regardless of any digital system you have to remember that inherent--nothing to do with ATSC or any other systems-we could throw it all away and start with DVB tomorrow - but inherently the Internet is a two way interactive medium. Broadcasting is a one way thing. Again, let's figure out how to combine those things, but let us not get confused and think that the standard we have in ATSC is not Internet friendly. It is extremely Internet friendly. It is a digital system. It is a layered system, its a flexible systems full of headers and descriptors and flexibility to let broadcasters do very powerful things with their data streams. It is eminently recordable. You can broadcast it to PCs. You can broadcast it to the family rooms. Think about the broadcaster's assets---20 million bits per second going by every home in America.
Thank you.
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Mark Aitken Of Sincliar Responds
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If I were involved in the process today (and I WAS involved in the process earlier, being led as blindly as the rest), and KNEW about COFDM (which, for the most part, we did not), and understood as a broadcaster what the business is (we did then, and know more now), I would have to be brain-dead to choose 8VSB over COFDM (go ahead, laugh!). This is NOT an issue of being unhappy with the government/company/boss. This is more like being held hostage against our will by a bunch of maniacal folks who thought that everyone should be happy to be shackled (metaphorically speaking).
When the leader is a tyrant appointed by his court, and does not represent or care for the needs of the common lot, that is tyranny. The folks who needed to be in this fight were involved in other fights and thought that their interests were being taken care of at home. Upon return, we found out that our entrusted servants had abdicated control to the tyrant (metaphorically speaking).
We now see things for what they are, and are involved in a process to shed the light on those living in the shadows. There are truths in the world, and we are not acting as the judge. This industry needs to be the judge, but as with any democratic republic, its citizens need to be first educated and then entrusted with an ability to make judgments in the self interest of the larger needs of the industry which serves a citizenry. Free "over-the-air" broadcasting is an interdependent industry.
We are just trying to make sure the right decisions are made, and the wrong decisions are undone.

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