Summary

CBS Vice President Martin Franks discusses the growing HDTV programming landscape and the logistical, financial, and technological hurdles preventing full HD sports coverage. He identifies stadium fiber infrastructure, limited HD production trucks, and missing equipment like HD super-slow motion as key barriers to completing the transition.

Source document circa 2002 preserved as-is

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INTERVIEW
Martin Franks, Vice President
CBS, Inc

Part 1

           Martin Franks is in the profession he loves--television. He has the responsibility at CSB for managing the H/DTV transition. At the launch of the new television season we wanted to ask him to size up the progress made from last year to this and to see what still needs to be done to spur on the horses. My questions are preceded with DC for me, and his responses noted by "MF", for, of course, Martin Franks.

My first question:

DC: Marty, we are in a new season. What is the first thing that comes to  mind when you think of this new season?

MF: It’s a competitive thought.  In the last several years it was nice when we didn’t have much competition in HD. But as a company who cares a lot about the success of the transition I must say that it is also nice to read my HDTV Magazine in the morning and see that there is so much on in HD.

DC: It is certainly growing.

MF. It is striking! I saw a note on one of the Internet forums talking about the fact that at one point there were going to be five different HDTV programs on at the same time. I think that is good for the business; it is good for the transition; and I think it is showing up out in the stores, where, by all reports that we receive, people are continuing to buy the product.

DC: Do you think that the charge leveled against broadcasting for several years that there was not enough compelling programming is now fully satisfied?

MF: No, it is not fully satisfied. It is dramatically better. It helped enormously when ABC came on board. I support Alex Wallau and his colleagues for joining us. It has helped to have NBC come along, particularly with their last minute edition of ER. As a fan of West Wing I keep waiting for them to do the same there… but…our biggest challenge remains to figure out a way to do more of our sports in HD. Just as prime time was the first frontier where we learned a great deal about how to do HD, the next big breakthrough is going to be when we can “regularize” more of our sports in HD. Unfortunately that is financial challenge and a combination of logistical and technological challenge.

DC: How would you characterize those technological challenges, and are they being met?

MF: Having the core digital truck that we use for the football has been a tremendous help. It save a lot of money and improved the quality of the production at the same time. But we need four or five more of those trucks to be available to use from our vendors. From the standpoint of a truck vendor it is hard to commit the capital to that kind of enterprise without a greater assurance that it is going to be used for more than the 20 Saturdays in the fall, but rather used 52 weeks a year.

That is one challenge. There are likely two other things which I glean from reading your publication and the AVS forum, which I do regularly, I think a lot of viewers are understandably impatient, but they fail to understand that there is still a ways to go in developing the HDTV production equipment. It is only this fall with our college football that we finally have a HDTV super-slow motion that we are comfortable in using. We still don’t have a first down line that we can project. We want to make sure that our HDTV broadcast are what viewers have come to expect fram  CBS Sports production.   Some of the equipment just doesn’t exist.

The  otehr is the logistical challenge All of these stadiums, including ones that have been built in the last couple of years, were built with coaxial cables. When we are doing an NFL game in a modern stadium there is a plug in the wall at a camera position. They can plug the camera into the coax and there is a drop location in the basement where we can put our truck, and we are on the air.

Now, with very few exceptions, we have to run fiber cables each time we are in a stadium. That is expensive and time consuming. I am in hopes that as new stadiums are built they will do them with fiber.

It would be great to have an NFL game of the week on, and we have hopes of being able to do that in the not-too-distant future, But, I guess what I am talking about in terms of really driving this transition home is not when we are doing one NFL game each week, but that we are doing all of the NFL games. We are not going to completely succeed with this transition until the Jet’s fan who lives in New York gets his Jets game every weekend in HD, not just occasionally have an opportunity to see them when they happen to be the Game of The Week.

DC: Is the announcement from ESPN going to provide some of the solutions?

MF: I hope. I have not talked to my friends there since their announcement. So far its been mostly ourselves and Mark Cuban doing the stimulation of the production equipment marketplace. So, having ABC come aboard will help. We have long term contracts with truck vendors so even if ESPN’s vendors build a couple more trucks they won't necessarily be available to us. It will clearly help, though. Maybe there will be three or four people who want the first down line in HD instead of one the marketplace will be stimulated to produce it more quickly.

DC.  Are you being asked to do things by manufacturers or are you asking them?

MF: A little of both. We still spend an enormous amount of time and resource cooperating with manufacturers on testing their equipment and helping to develop their equipment. Our engineers travel extensively to lend their expertise to this process. We do see that as a collaborative effort. When I refer to CBS’s leadership it is also the technological developments which we stimulate, starting with Joe Flaherty and Bob Ross, and Bob Siedel, and am very proud of what CBS puts in behind the camera.

DC: At the recent hearings it was said in the opening remarks that the transition is not going as rapidly as many would like it to go? Where is your perception in respect to that statement?

MF: I think we have made enormous progress in the last year. I testified at the same hearing a year and one half year ago. I said then that the government had to make up its mind. The original transition, while there was the 2006 deadline, was set to be a marketplace driven transition. I said then that the marketplace will sort all of this out, it is just not going to do it by 2006. Now, as we get closer to 2006 and the government has determined that it wants to keep as close to that date as it can it is more appropriate to push the marketplace.

In terms of surprises….I thought that with Rep Tauzin (R-LA) and the Chairman of the FCC Powell round tables--the jaw boning process--was making great progress on copy protection and the cable compatibility issues. I am extremely disappointed that that progress seems to have stalled once again. I know less about the cable compatibility because a) we are not in the cable business, and b) we don’t manufacture sets. On the other hand we do like our viewers to have happy and easy viewing experience.

I know a great deal more about the copy protection issue and that is a growing problem for us. Because we are not going to allow our business to be “Napsterized”. Again, I am surprised when I read on the web pages and forums people’s violent reaction when we are seeking to protect our copyright.

DC: We have been saying that either the problem is not as great as what has been said about it, or it is also a responsibility of the marketplace to not let it be a big problem. In other words, the consumer has a responsibility to you as well as you have some obligations to the consumer.

MF: When we did our deal with Echo star to put our HDSTV feeds up, CBS gave a blanket waiver in all of the markets we own. We thought that was a pretty good faith gesture. But it is pretty discouraging to go and read on the Internet forums people talking about how to steal that signal. If you take signal theft to its ultimate extension then there is no incentive to create programming. This is one of the impediments to doing the NFL. We have a contractual obligation to the NFL to maintain regions. If those regions can be defeated, guess what? We are not going to get to do the NFL in HDTV.

DC. We have been saying that the public is screwing themselves by doing this.

MF: We know we have an obligation to provide a product, and that is our part of the deal. Tthe broadcast flag was such an elegant solution to me because all it was intended to do was to keep people from pirating product over the Internet. It was not meant to even remotely defeat copying at home or even copying on a home network. It struck me as a good solution. I am troubled to see it stalled once again and at some point there will be consequences. I tried to get the HD version of a movie recently. The movie will air on the analog network but I could not negotiate an HD version and I could not get it. I was hard pressed to tell that studio they were making the wrong judgment. Again, go to the message boards. There are people recording those movies and all of a sudden they have a perfect HD digital master of a copyrighted product and if they choose to engage in piracy they have the raw material with which to work.

DC. Isn’t this a problem incredibly exacerbated by the statement of every engineer say that everything can be broken. You have no permanent solution, but rather a series of solutions like computer security patches, which seem to download endlessly?

MF: You can never defeat piracy. We have learned the hard way from DVDs in China. You can, however, make it harder. Sure, eventually some kid in a garage in Cupertino is going to hack the algorithm. But if you look at Nepster, which about hacking the algorithm as much as it became an “in thing” to do on college campuses. Where are the colleges in this whole exercise? The notion that the colleges are allowing their servers and T1 lines to be witting accomplices in piracy is mind boggling. As one who is paying a rather substantial college tuition for a child at the moment it is not exactly a lesson I want him to be learning from his college education.

There is a solution to this problem. It will not inhibit home recording, home networking by anyone. All of a sudden some of the CE manufacturers have taken this pure position--they want to sell DVD recorders, etc., and I think it is short sided on their part.

So, I am more worried about these issues related to the transition--cable compatibility and copy protection.--and the fact that I thought we were quite close on both scores several months ago. But we seem less close, and all of a sudden there is more programming.   If viewers continue to want shows , like CSI and CSI Miami, then their producers have to have an incentive to make that investment. Part of their incentive is the back end market--the syndication marketplace. If that marketplace can be eroded via internet piracy, it is not a good thing.

DC: The quality of the programming could only decline.

MF: Also the picture quality of it. We can meet our obligation to the law by broadcasting a 4:3 480 picture. What a travesty that would be. I like my CSI Miami in 16:9 and 1080i.

But we shouldn’t let that cloud things. We have made tremendous progress in a relatively short period of time. As we were first discussing, there are going to be two college footballs games on tomorrow! (speaking of Saturday, Oct 12, 2002). Last night at ten o’clock you could watch Without A Trace or you could watch ER.

To be continued tomorrow in Part 2.

Until Tomorrow

 


 READER MAIL

Dale -

I just purchased the new Sony SAT-HD200 HDTV DirecTV receiver. You readers who are considering purchasing this unit need to know two very important deficiencies with that unit:

1) The 20-event reminder list described in Sony's advertising is NOT a perpetual event scheduler! You CANNOT set up the unit to regularly tune to your shows. No, I'm not kidding. You probably think that I'm joking because it seems so fundamentally WRONG, but I'm serious - if you want to have the Sony SAT-HD200 tune to DirecTV channel 199 every Thursday from 8:00pm until 9:00pm, THERE IS NO WAY TO DO IT! You *do* have access to a "reminder list" which is supposed to remind you 30 seconds before the start of a SINGLE event that you select from the program guide. You CANNOT adjust the schedule, so if you like programming your recordings to begin at 7:59pm and end at 9:01pm, you can't do it.

2) The coaxial cable "Out to TV" connection DOES NOT WORK with DirecTV signals. Supposedly, it only outputs your Cable and/or Antenna signals (although I haven't been able to get it to work with my antenna yet). No, I'm not kidding! If you don't have an antenna or cable service connected to your Sony SAT-HD200, then your TV channel 3 is going to be SNOW. The ONLY way to view DirecTV with the Sony SAT-HD200 is to use S-Video or the component connections (Y, Pr, Pb). There is NO coaxial connection (and there is no way I can find to "hide" the cable tuning on my Sony 36XBR450 HDTV - I can skip video 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, but not the coaxial Aux-in signal. So every time I cycle through channels, I have to endure that burst of snow).

As for the positive aspects of this unit, the picture is flawless via component video, the Advanced Program Guide works beautifully (unlike the SAT-HD100), and the various menus and customizations are very intuitive. But considering the flaws, I can't recommend the SAT-HD200 to anyone until Sony fixes those fundamental problems.

Does anyone know where we can write/call Sony to register these issues WHERE THEY'LL BE HEARD? (Calling the Sony tech support number on the back of the manual is only good for confirming problems, not sending them along to Sony's product developers.)

Hope this helps everyone make a better-informed decision!

Eric Rosenberg

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EchoStar, DirecTV deal rejected

By now you have heard that the big satellite merger is off. The message boards have been busy with many speculations on wht is next for our high-flying friends. Here are a few links on the first round of stories, This link is to one in Money. (Full Story)

From USA Today.

CEA URGES THE U.S. SUPREME COURT TO OVERTURN COPYRIGHT TERM EXTENSION ACT
Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) President and CEO Gary Shapiro issued the following statement today urging the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn the Copyright Term Extension Act, which goes beyond the original intent of the Constitution and would deprive the American public access to a significant amount of creative content

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record=3161

 

READER RESPONSES...

In his twenties now, Scott Klein talks about his age group and HDTV. He is  responding to a handful of questions I posed to him last week.

Dale,

As a new person into the "Real" work force, not just after school and weekends, it means a lot to me to be able to really enjoy the 'toys' of life, if you will. Don't get me wrong, I cherish family and friends way above the material things in life, but hey, if you can have both, it's just that much sweeter! The world of Hi-Def is amazing. I feel it is definitely going to take hold of everyone that cares anything about watching TV and movies.

I'm amazed at how most of my friends have responded to my setup. The person who probably shocked me the most was my mother. She's a 55 yr old woman who enjoys her computer and things like that and has never been much of a fan of large TV's because she thought they were just a waste of money. She frowned on me when I purchased the TV, until she saw it! The first time she sat in front of it and watched some HD shows on PBS, she was hooked! I was laid off earlier this year and was at the point of having to start selling my equipment to survive. Well, my mother said she'd pay for the TV before she'd let me get rid of it. That definitely surprised me, but shows that even those that aren't all that interested can become interested with some simple education.

Among my friends, most have simply been amazed at how great the college football games look and how the US Open looked! We all just sat there one day watching a college football game and commented on how we could see the dirt fly up from the turf and could see the beads of sweat on the players bodies! After my purchases, I have had one friend buy an HD-ready TV, but before I could persuade him to get the STB, he decided to get engaged, and well, that pretty much put a HOLD on any other purchases. But I know that eventually he'll get into it, especially after my additional HDTV parties!

I hosted a Super Bowl party this past January, and even though it wasn't in HD, the fact that it was in digital wide screen amazed everyone! When I told them that it wasn't HD and that it was OTA, they couldn't believe it, so I then switched it to the local PBS, and they just all sat their with their jaws dropped! At that moment, I finally felt that my investment was completely warranted, and that I wasn't the only one who saw how amazing HD was. I can't wait to have another party this year for the super bowl and show it in true HD!

Since the purchase of my TV and tuner, I have definitely found myself watching many more DVD's and OTA shows, simply to enjoy the quality. Some of the people on the forum have said that film is superior to digital theaters. I could not disagree more. I do not enjoy going to the theater to see movies anymore, because I find the quality to be sometimes horrific, and only decent at the best theaters. The only movie and theater that I have seen that compares to HD was Star Wars: Episode II at the local DLP theater. I was simply amazed at how crisp and clear the picture was, not to mention how the sound shook me out of my seat. The only reason I go to theaters these days is sometimes for the sound. Because of my financial and living situations, I have not been able to buy the sound system I want, so if I really want to enjoy a good action flick, I'll see it at a theater, but otherwise, I stay home.

As far as the perfect HDTV network, I don't know if there can be such a thing. I think that the latest news about ESPN going HD, along with Discovery channel and all of the networks showing the majority of the prime time line-up in HD is how things will continue. HD.Net is a great channel, but is not how I would want a particular channel to be. I grew up in a time of options, and I like that there are many specific genre channels to choose from. I would be very disappointed if things were to go to a Wal-Mart style channel. (one stop viewing, not as good as one stop shopping). This point of view, however, could not be what you mean by perfect HDTV network. If that's the case, then the perfect network would simply be one that shows everything in HDTV all day long.

To help fund this, I am much more willing to pay a monthly fee and have commercial free TV than to have it be free and waste my time with commercials. My time is much more precious than money. That's the one thing I have always liked about the satellite music stations - non stop music - very much worth the extra money per month. I would purchase a satellite radio for my truck if I could afford it. Eventually I will be able to and will make the purchase, though.

Well, I think I have covered all your questions. Hopefully I covered them without too much extra fluff. Please feel free to ask more questions of me anytime if you want/need more info.

take care!

Scott

 

 

 

Random thoughts about Copying Copyrighted Materials…..


"If a home viewer can find a way to copy the content of a digital broadcast, he or she can reproduce it digitally over the Internet (or elsewhere), and everybody can get that high-quality digital content for free."

Big Deal!   First, if it's a digital broadcast, ANYBODY can watch it and copy it for themselves.  Or is the concern that I'll copy it and send it to my pen pal in Bangladesh?  A guy who would never see it anyway?  

Or are we really talking about a Pay Per View event?   Perhaps a Premium Movie Channel offering?   Yes, I could copy it and send it to my friends who don't have HBO, I suppose.  But why bother - in a matter of weeks, it will be shown FREE either on a network or some other movie channel.  (I suppose I shouldn't consider DirecTV channels like TCM, Fox, or even Starz as "free" - but lets face it - a high percentage of people in this country at least, are already paying for cable or satellite tv service.  )  Or maybe we're talking about a Pay Per View Sporting Event?  Nothing like watching a game where you know the outcome in advance.  I taped several games from the 1991 World Series and guess what??  Eleven years later and I've never watched any of them!!

This all strikes me as being the same kind of nonsense as the proposal to add a royalty surtax on audio or video cassettes - the assumption being that the purchaser is going to copy something which is copyrighted.  Of course that assumes immediately that every tape purchased is going to be so used!   Do I really have to pay a royalty to Madonna for the privilege of recording my daughter's church choir?  Does NBC or MGM really deserve a royalty if I copy a public domain Charlie Chaplin film made by the Mutual Film Company nearly a hundred years ago?

But that's only the tip of the iceberg.  The real issue with the royalty thing is - who gets the money?  Evenly divided among all recording artists?   From this year?  From forever?   Do the Al Jolson, Irving Berlin and Frank Sinatra estates get a share?  How about the Minnesota Orchestra? Would FOREIGN artists also be included?  Would non-union artists be included?  How about individuals putting out their own CD's?   Or would we divide it according to record sales?  Who and how will THAT be determined?  And on and on ad infinitum…….an administrative NIGHTMARE! 

But a bigger issue there is - who DECIDES who gets the money?   The Government?   The Artists Union?  Some committee?  Talk about nightmares…..

The point is - this is a typical proposed regulated solution for a problem - flood and destroy the house to put out a cigarette smouldering in the ashtray……

You are so right - copy protection schemes don't work for long - those who want to defeat them, will.  It always struck me as so foolish when they were copy protecting video cassettes of movies.  The same movie was broadcast on tv - I can copy it in SVHS - and they can keep their copy protected vid cassette……
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"Who is going to buy DVDs or tapes of TV shows or movies they can get free, online through peer-to-peer file sharing?"

Who buys them NOW?   We've had the ability to copy and share these things for YEARS.  Prove to me that sales of CD's and video cassettes are really significantly DOWN due to this kind of activity and I'll at least listen to your argument.  And before someone brings in an answer to this one, be sure you factor in a sluggish economy, an aging population and a few other factors that might affect the sales of pop records and tapes.

It seems to me that these folks want to have their cake and eat it too.  A simple solution to this "problem" is:  If you want to be damned certain no one copies your work, don't allow it to be broadcast!   It couldn't be simpler than that.  Of course you'll give up the revenue you would have gotten from the showing, but what the heck - you can make it up with all those overpriced video cassettes and DVD's you're going to sell.   And by the way, perhaps you should be paying the network to show it (translation: advertise it) instead of you getting paid for the showing……   Talk about a win/win……

I find it hard to believe that this will be any worse problem that we face currently.   Some folks are always going to be cheaters.  But will it be widespread enough to really take such drastic action??

Jerry Rutledge
Minnesota

Hey Dale!

I fired off another email to programming at DirecTV the other day. In the note, I made sure they were aware that ESPN was bringing an HD channel on line next April. Actually, I was making sure that they new their customers knew about the new channel and would be quite dissappointed if they didn't pick it up. I also pointed out that ESPN in HD was exactly the kind of killer application of the technology that would bring many on the fence people into the HD fold.

Anyway, onto the real point of this note. I again pointed out the Discovery HD Theater had been on the air for months now and customers of DirecTV still didn't have it.

They pretty much ignored the comments about ESPN, but did have a good bit to say on Discovery HD Theater.

In essence: They got the hint from the many subscriber requests that people definitely want Discovery HD Theater added. They are working on adding Discovery HD to their channel roster and it is corporate policy not to say any more than that about it until it is officially announced.

I've been personally hounding DirecTV for some time about Discovery HD Theater. Until this message, I have not gotten back anything other than "your feedback is valuable to us, and we will keep it in mind in future considerations about our programming" type messages. This "appears" to be a step in the right direction.

Hopefully by now, you have seen some other signs that they are doing more than just noticing that some of their subscribers would like to see that channel.

Scott Hurst

I still don't understand how the Pay Per View folks don't think it is a good idea to do big events in HD. Damn, they are charging $50+ an event for big fights and such. Surely they can afford to record it and distribute it in HD. Hell, charge me a $10 premium on top of the normal fee for HD. With a 65" Mitsu Diamond set, everybody I know would be wanting to see one of those events at my place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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