RCA Multi-Directional Flat Antenna Designed for Pinpoint Pickup of Free Over-the-Air Digital TV Signals

Started by Shane Jul 10, 2008 13 posts
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#1
Viewers looking for an alternative to soaring subscription TV bills should consider pairing a digital TV with a new RCA Flat Antenna designed to pick up more channels than a traditional "rabbit ears" antenna. Local broadcasters are now sending multiple digital TV channels to supplement their main programs, including informational and live radar and weather forecasts available at the touch of a button - for free!

In addition to receiving pristine uncompressed digital TV signals...

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#2
New, better antennas should be coming along. There are two factors that will be changing next February which render current designs obsolete.

1) Divestiture of channels 52-69. Current long-range Yagi antennas (the ones which look like a giant arrow) are designed to give good reception across low-band VHF channels 2-6, slightly higher-band VHF channels 7-13, and UHF channels 14-69. Besides picking up the channels you want, such antennas unavoidably pick up electrical "noise" which interferes with reception (snow and audio static on NTSC, video and audio dropouts on ATSC). Newer antennas will only need to receive channels 2-51. By modifying the reception bandwidth to reject signals in the 52-69 range, reception quality on the remaining channels will be improved.

2) ATSC channels will be moving. This affects your antenna choice. Right now most broadcasters have been given a UHF channel to use for ATSC along with their current NTSC channel which could be VHF or UHF. Next February, when NTSC is shut down, the broadcasters will move their ATSC broadcast to another channel, usually their former NTSC channel. This affects your antenna choice. If all your channels will be UHF after the February move, you can select a UHF-only antenna. If you have a mix, you will need an antenna which receives both--and unfortunately adds VHF noise to the UHF channels and UHF noise to the VHF channels.

I've seen very little discussion on these points--one technical paper on the first one and nothing on the second. In fact I had to search for quite a while to figure out what would happen with channel assignments after the cutoff.

Larry M
#3
Hi lmarks -

Perhaps a "mapping" of the new powered Smart Antenna from the recently-announced
RCA lineup may be done soon ?

Even @ $99, it might be very helpful to many still trying to 'cope' with O.T.A.

eli
#4
Eli, my situation is that the antenna farm is about 20 miles to the southeast, but directly across the street from me, on the signal path, is a granite ridge about a story or two higher than my house. 10 blocks away is an 11-story retirement home. If I use an indoor antenna, I must tweak it so I get what little signal spills over the ridge and don't get the multipath interference from the tall building. I have much better success with a directional Yagi on a short mast on the roof.

My Yagi was destroyed in high winds in February, and I've been thinking about getting a new one, but I'd like to get one that cuts off at channel 51 and so far no one seems to be offering one. If you find something (with a long beam, say 110"), let me know.

Larry M
#5
I've posted the FCC's final channel assignments several times - do a search. I don't have the link on this pc.

What will your final channels be?

Do you really think that removing the high UHF channels will make a noticeable improvement in antenna performance?

And it's not necessarily accurate to say that most stations are changing their ATSC channels. I'll have to check the table again but from what I remember a large portion of the stations were sticking with their current ATSC channels, probably for exactly that reason.
#6
WTVD is the one channel that moves to VHF. All the others are UHF. Otherwise it would be a simple decision to get a UHF-only antenna (ideally, 14-51, not 14-69 or 14-83).

WTVD is the ABC affiliate, and there's not another one within reach. I suppose I could put a high-band VHF antenna pointed directly at WTVD and a UHF antenna on the rotator. I already have two downleads and a really good quality A-B switch.

Or maybe just go UHF only and sacrifice ABC.

Larry
#7
What VHF channel is WTVD using? I know the CM4228 UHF 8 bay bowtie will pick up down to VHF channel 10 - many of us in Atlanta are doing it right now. If it's lower than that just get a VHF Antenna cut specifically for that channel.
#8
WTVD will be broadcasting on 11. I was thinking of trying a UHF antenna to see if I could get 11. Thanks for the encouragement.


I'm wary of trying a bowtie, although I may because it's a small investment. I need to have something with a very narrow beam so I can get the main signal without the bounce (about 15 degrees off axis) from the retirement home (or alternatively, the bounce without the direct signal). My recollection is that bowties have a very broad reception pattern.

My last antenna was similar to this 160" one from Radio Shack:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... age=family , their part number 15-2156, which is highly directional.

Just took a quick look and could not find comparative patterns for Yagi and bowtie. Do you have a reference?

Larry
#10
EW, the information I'm seeking could be extracted from the website you referenced, but I'm really looking for polar plots like the one here:
http://www.originlab.com/www/products/G ... s=8&lm=215

This sample has fairly high gain out to about 30 degrees either side of its main axis, and a pretty good front-to-back (F/B) ratio--that is low gain from the reverse side.

Other antennas may have a broader front lobe, or side lobes.

I am looking for an antenna with a fairly narrow front lobe and minimal side lobes, so I reject the multipath from the retirement high-rise. I'd like to see polar plots for Yagi and 8-bay UHF antennas. I suspect the 8-bay has a pretty broad lobe.

Larry M
#11
RCA antennas
Don't hold your breath. I looked at the site and while I may be uninformed I doubt it, they are just omni-directional antennas and there is nothing I know of that could automatically do anything about reception as they suggest. If you check the video you will find statements do not agree with their own spec sheet for ANT1000 and ANT1050. Gotta love the mis-informed marketing madness

They go on and on over the ANT1500... :lol:

On the other hand they don't even mention the potentially real DTV antenna they do offer, the ANT2000 which appears to be a Smart Antenna.

Great link
I am looking for good info on HDTV antennas
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10313

Larry M, for your polar responses...
KenQV is the author of our Antenna/Cable/Satellite Dictionary and Encyclopedia...
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=72

...and has his own website devoted to antenna
www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/basics.html
#12
Richard, thanks for the useful citations. I've got a couple of Electrical Engineering degrees and think I understand the basics pretty well. What I am looking for is actual manufacturer test data (which used to be easy to find). As you noted regarding the RCA literature, it's like looking for car specs on torque, horsepower, and axle ratios and finding data on genuine leather seats and burled walnut dash inlays.

In looking for a good example to refer you to, I found this website:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superante ... rmance.htm

The first half of the page shows the benefit to redesigning the antenna without a reception requirement for channels 52-69. You can get more gain (sensitivity) for the lower channels.

The second half of the page shows what I most recently referred to: comparative polar plots. The last set of plots on this page are exemplary. The left side shows a Double-Bay Gray-Hoverman antenna and the right side shows a Channel Master 4228 8-bay bowtie, which is the gold standard, I suppose.

If you look at the lobe width (width of the loop going to the right), the Channel Master is narrower. This means you have to aim it more carefully, and might have to rotate it between stations that are nearby but not collocated. But it also means that you can get the signal and reject the multipath that bounces off some other object and then enters at an angle. This latter problem is the one I am dealing with.

These plots are "normalized." If they were not, you could look at the lobe "height" (distance from plot center to tip) and tell which one had the most gain (sensitivity), but in this case they have been scaled so that the peak is always 0 dB. The scale factor is shown below each plot. We see that the 2-bay Gray-Hoverman has 17.82 dB and the 8-bay Channel Master has 16.93 dB. These are usually given compared to a standard monopole (vertical metal rod). So the Gray-Hoverman is about 1 dB more sensitive, although not as good at rejecting signals arriving off-axis.

Another thing you can see from these Polar Plots is Front-to-Back ratio. It's hard to design an antenna that doesn't have some reception from the back side, due to symmetry considerations. This is a bad deal if you have, say, a local channel due west on channel 40, and a station due east, further away, also broadcasting on channel 40. On a clear night when reception conditions are good, the remote signal enters the antenna's back side and interferes with the desired signal. This is called co-channel interference. You can see that the Gray-Hoverman is better than the Channel Master, especially at 600 MHz (channels 36-51).

There are some polar plots of Yagi antennas at
http://www.astronwireless.com/topic-arc ... tterns.asp as part of a tutorial on polar plots. What I would really like to see os polar plots of a Yagi and 8-bay bowtie done to the same scale and plotting scheme, to "compare apples to apples" so to speak. Haven't found that magic website yet.

Larry