Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXVi and 1080p?

What is your 1080P problem? HDMI since inception can pass it.

It is unfair to HDMI that many manufacturers were blaming the unavailability of the HDMI 1.3 spec for their inability to accept 1080p on their 1080p TV sets, when actually even the version 1.0 spec was capable to handle such resolution, obviously the proper chip was not installed.

http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/articles/20 ... _1_-_a.php

Yet at the Pioneer site...

HDMITM Inputs 2
(HDMI connection may not allow transmission of copyright protected material depending on the capability of the signal source)

Sounds like firmware or the wrong chip was used...

I have the 74 and the 84 and they both pass 1080P... The 74 should have no trouble passing 1080P.

I have a 1080p TV and we got the PS3 for Christmas. I'm connecting the PS3 through the 74 via HDMI (HDMI in from the PS3 and HDMI out to the TV), but I'm only getting 1080i as a maximum resolution (Blu-Ray movies and games). Setting the PS3 to 1080p causes the TV to go blank until, I believe, the PS3 and the receiver re-negotiate to 1080i.

I'll have to go back through my setup and see if I missed something in the configuration. Any suggestions in this area would be appreciated as well.

I know, I'm getting anal about getting the last bit out of everything. But hey, I paid for it, might as well try to get everything out of it

Would probably help if I gave the TV model as well.

The TV is a Mitsubishi WD-73727.

Have you tried going straight from the PS3 to the tv to see if you have the same results?...Because if you do then you know it's not the receiver.

ah...

Bet it will not work. Don't think that display accepts 1080P so the problem is not the receiver...

spudly, another thing you might try is going to A/V Parameter and setting the "HDMI" to "Thru" instead of "Amp"...you will lose the audio, but I'm curious to see if the Picture passes through that way...Make sure you set it back to "Amp" when your done otherwise you won't have any HDMI audio going through your receiver.

Richard, his set does accept 1080P...It actually is a 1080P unit...here are his general specs...

Detailed Specifications
Basics

Product Type: HDTV - color

Dimensions (W x D x H): 69.9" x 21.5" x 44.8"

Weight: 188 lbs.

Diagonal Size: 73"

Display Technology: DLP

Image Aspect Ratio: 16:09

Tuner Qty: 2

Multi-Channel Preview: 3 POP

Sound Output Mode: Stereo

Remote Control: Multibrand illuminated remote control

Television

Resolution: 1920 x 1080

Additional Features: TV Guide On Screen

As chuckken2 shows, it is supposed to be a 1080p DLP unit. One of the things that swayed me on getting the unit. Future compatability, thinking someday a few years from the purchase date not later the same year.

I tried going from the PS3 to the directly to the TV, same thing occurs. I get a blurred picture now instead of no picture when I went through the receiver. Oh, and after taking my time this time though the PS3 indicates it will try the new setting for 20 seconds and revert back if no action is taken.

I'll try the Thru setting next, but it is looking like the set is the issue now. Not sure why, but maybe Richard knows something I don't about the 1080p settings on this unit.

Did you upgrade to the latest firmware with your PS3?...If you did, keep in mind the PS3 is loaded with problems...I would try a Sony or Panasonic for 1080p Blu-Ray discs and see what happens...you could always take it back when your done experimenting. Going direct from PS3 to tv should have worked. Also did you set the PS3 to 1080P as the highest resolution in the menu?

A true 1080P input was a fuzzy issue when you bought; it may not take it. Mits did not state what it will accept on their website. I don't recall Mits being one of the displays that will do this for last year or it may have been model dependent.

My PS3 is just fine... Also far better behaved and HDMI tolerant than the Toshiba HDA1 player.

More suggestions...

Bad HDMI cable? (it happens)
Firmware on your TV needs an upgrade for the HDCP
Sony needs a firmware upgrade for the HDCP (unlikely)

The PS3 is updated to 1.32, I believe. It's up to the current network update available at any rate. I haven't really had any issues with the PS3. It's really a great piece of equipment. Fast load times for Blu-Ray and DVD movies and great playback from games. I have had it freeze up once when swapping a game for a movie during boot-up, but I figure it was me just getting impatient.

I've played Ricky Bobby, hey it came with the unit, and Terminator 1 & 2 with no problems other than it playing back at 1080i on the TV.

Setting the PS3 manually to 1080p causes the screen to either go blank when going through the receiver or become garbled when directly connected from the PS3 to the TV.

I have found that there is an updated version of firmware for the TV. I called Mitsubishi today and should have the new firmware around Monday. Supposedly this addresses the 1080p though HDMI issue as well as some other cable card issues and program guide issues. I don't use a cable card and my Comcast box handles programming so I haven't had the immediate need to upgrade the firmware until now. I've read some debates about how the 1080p is achieved on this set, but that's a discussion for another time.

Once I update the firmware I'll post what the current outcome is. The current firmware is V30.007.02, the one current firmware is V30.007.03.

Just curious, would a bad HDMI cable allow lower resolutions? Everything seems to be fine at 1080i over HDMI right now.

No, the HDMI cable wouldn't have anything to do with it...As long as it's a good quality cable and it's working for 1080i, it should do 1080P no problem...Good luck...

Just curious, would a bad HDMI cable allow lower resolutions?

A flakey build corrupting the impedance distorting the waveform. 1080P is double the bandwidth of 1080I... This would be a highly unusual problem though... I would look at it the way Chuck does unless I had all my ducks in a row and KNEW what should be happening. Trying another cable is no big deal for me since that is my business.

Hey, wondering if I can pick your brain for a minute . . . I just got the Pioneer VSX-82TXS (similar to your 84, I believe) and I'm going into a Sony Bravia XBR2 LCD display. I want to wait to get into hi-def DVD so I bought an upscaling Samsung HD960 DVD player. HDMI from DVD to Pioneer, HDMI from Pioneer to display. Here's the problem: every 5 to 10 minutes the screen goes black for about 5 seconds then comes back. My buddy has the exact same set-up and he has the same problem. I've changed HDMI inputs on the Pioneer, I've tried all the settings for HDMI, Digital Video Conversion and Resolution (including "Pure") and nothing seems to help. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

See if Samsung has a firmware update...

well, the thing is, i don't think it's an issue with the DVD player because it plays fine if you go directly into the LCD, it's only if you go through the Pioneer receiver as an HDMI switcher that the problem crops up. i'm just pissed because i got the Pioneer on the assumption i could use it as a switcher and run just one cable to the monitor . . .

See if Samsung has a firmware update...

Really... If that does not solve it then check on the Pioneer. What you are describing is a handshake problem and Samsung has a great repuation for putting stuff out in the market and worrying about the problems later.

Hmm... check that DIRECT button, different model but mine is in the bottom right corner of the remote but I think that had to do with HDMI audio problems... Chuck ran into an HDMI problem related to that feature.

Here's the problem: every 5 to 10 minutes the screen goes black for about 5 seconds then comes back. My buddy has the exact same set-up and he has the same problem.

Either you have a bad cable, a cable that is too long, or as Richard said, The Samsung is not handling the handshake well...I have the VSX-84-TXsi and have never had a problem such as yours. I use Panasonic displays (projectors). I even have a 50ft HDMI run from the receiver to one of my projectors.....still no problems.

thanks for your input guys, i appreciate it. unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a firmware update for either the Samsung HD-960 or the Pioneer Elite 82 that i can find. i was wondering if there was some issue with the DVD player scaling the image and then the Pioneer trying to do the same? thanks again.

Start with the player directly to the display... does it work? If not then see if there is a firmware upgrade for the display.

Sony Bravia XBR2 LCD display

How old?

Everything else appears to have been checked... Tried a new cable?

Bottom line is somewhere you are not getting the handshake and one or more of those three units has to be the problem.

Sorry you are going through this... awaiting your next post...

the display is about a month old and i believe a very recent model. my friend (with the identical set up) ran his dvd player directly into his display after experiencing the same problem i have. his picture will now randomly freeze (as opposed to going black) while the audio continues and then the picture jumps forward to synch up with the sound after a few seconds. ?? i haven't tried a different cable since he has the same issues and i figured the likelihood of two bad hdmi cables was low . . . meanwhile hd programming from directv comes through like a champ. very confusing. i had assumed that the pioneer would just "pass through" the faux upscaled 1080p signal from the dvd player. thoughts?

Gee, even directly to the TV... My SWAG is the Samsung for a variety of reasons.

If you can return it get an Oppo; highly rated and inexpensive! Otherwise you will ahve to wait until they do have a firmware upgrade to fix it. Have you called? (although that could be an exercise in frustration)

http://www.oppodigital.com/

970 or 981 for your application.

I want to wait to get into hi-def DVD so I bought an upscaling Samsung HD960 DVD player. HDMI from DVD to Pioneer, HDMI from Pioneer to display. Here's the problem: every 5 to 10 minutes the screen goes black for about 5 seconds then comes back.

I had a Samsung DVD-VR325 unit that did the same thing through HDMI. It would basically happen at chapter breaks. As others have noted it's a firmware issue from Samsung. They never addressed it in the unit I had so I ended up selling it off.

OK, so back to the original issue I had with 1080p pass-through.

The TV firmware did sort of fix the issue.

After upgrading the firmware I could get 1080p to display on the TV, but with some caveats. I had to go through HDMI port 2, no biggie. I had to set the input to Computer, kind of an issue.

Setting the input to computer has a few issues. One, the amount of adjustments to the picture a fairly limited. You get a really bright picture and no control over the color settings. Two, the receiver won't work through this configuration. Three, direct connection of the PS3 to HDMI 2 gives an annoying message for about five minutes.

So while I can technically get 1080p it's not the TV, it's not really worth it in the end.

As I understand the way the Mits displays the picture, everything gets pushed up to 1080p for display. Plus the 1080p input goes through some form of up/down converting. The way I understand it is 1080p in gets down converted to 1080i then up converted back to 1080p.

So end result, I'm keeping everything as it started out connection wise. I did get the TV updated and I learned something in the process, so it wasn't a total loss

As I understand the way the Mits displays the picture, everything gets pushed up to 1080p for display. Plus the 1080p input goes through some form of up/down converting. The way I understand it is 1080p in gets down converted to 1080i then up converted back to 1080p.

Depends on the model year AND the model. This year 1080P is direct. Don't know about the 24 frame aspect.

And so my saga continues . . . on friday evening my Pioneer 82 crapped out completely. it froze up and only flashed "HDMI NG". i turned it off, unplugged it and when i powered it back on . . . the same thing. i took it in to the dealer today and they called Pioneer tech support and they told us how to reset it. that made the receiver functional but it doesn't show an HDMI #2, it jumps straight from #1 to #3. anyway, long story short, they're sending it in for repairs on the suspicion of a bad HDMI board and we'll see what happens. hopefully it fixes my original problem of the picture going out every five minutes. although there is still the issue of my friend's set up which does the same thing. hmmm. i'll let you guys know what happens when i get it back. as always, thanks for your time and expertise.

Bummer, hopefully they can get it fixed wihtout being down too long.

I don't think this will fix the issue with the Samsung cutting out. From what I've been able to tell it is an issue with Samsung equipment / firmware. My DVD-VR325 had the same issue of cutout at chapter breaks connecting with HDMI (direct connect to the TV or through the 82). It continued to have problems through component as well. It would occasnially drop out the pitcture or freeze up.

and so . . . after several weeks and two different repair shops . . . Pioneer is releasing a firmware update next week that is supposed to take care of the problem! i'll let you guys know what happens when i get my receiver back.