Samsung SPH710AE DLP FP from JKP - Videophile 720p Bargain

Started by Richard Apr 3, 2006 28 posts
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#1 (edited Jul 26, 2007)
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Samsung SP-H710AE

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This 720P projector is the budget videophile version of the SP-H800BE, 12K, money is not an issue videophile big gun. It is highly rated by all accounts and at $4k unbeatable in imaging science performance and ease of calibration.

At the special price of $2800 starting bid and $2900 buy it now it is a rare videophile bargain!

The seller is a huge internet retailer in California and Samsung dealer so you will get your full 2 year manufaturers warranty.

At the time of this post 4 are left. I bought mine today! :wink:
#2
Congratulations Richard on what looks like a great acquistion at a super price.

I'm sure we are all looking forward to your review of this unit once you've had a chance to use it for a little while.

My guess is that there will be no better calibration than the one this TV is going to get.

Enjoy your new addition to the household ... I'm envious.
#3
Thanks!

I was starting to get unnerved because the retailer kept telling me he was going to ship it and I never received the typical email saying so. Just hung up with them and it was shipped yesterday as I was originally told.

Whew...

BTW, I understand AVS has a Power Buy on this projector for $3500.
#4
It did NOT ship 2 day air as advertised, went ground, so instead of yesterday it will be the 10th.

I spoke with Gerald at Socal about their ad at ebay stating 2 day air and he said he would get that changed. I also told him how ebay sellers have always sent me an email stating the product had shipped with a tracking number.

As bad as this might sound I am not worried, just disappointed! Having posted this promotional thread I also wanted to make sure any of you were aware of these potential problems.

With a savings of $1200 I can afford to wait until the 10th... :wink:
#5
Hi Richard,

I Googled this Samsung projector to read the specs and the first site on the list was "projectorcentral.com" ... they showed a MSRP for this unit of U.S. $12,000.

I don't know how current this price was but, no matter, it sure looks like you've bought yourself an excellent projector at a Wal-Mart bargain price.

Maybe you'd better put on asbestos gloves before you touch it ... just kidding of course, but I'll bet the're still charging that kind of money in the Great White North.
#6
Oops, my mistake ... I looked up the SP-H800BE by mistake.

They show a MSLP for your unit of $4,000 which still makes it an excellent buy.

Sorry, sometimes I get carried away with all these different product code numbers ... you did say that you ordered the" budget videophile version" but I didn't originally pick up on the different product code numbers.
#7
Product received and looking great!

This is the most CRT like digital front projector I have seen! I cannot tell you how odd it is to go into the customer menu and find presets and options that use imaging science terms and actually respond correctly.

Lovin' it and looking forward to the 1080P version!
#8
Richard, I tried to PM you this message but it didn't seem to go through. and when I clicked on "sent folder" there was nothing there. Anyways, you can delete this post after you receive and read it.

The new Toshiba HD-DVD player would look awesome through that new projector of yours...
#9
Hi Jeff,

Got the email and thanks. Still on the fence with the HD-DVD but am trying to get inspired... :)
#10
I felt compelled to post the following due to the fact that I promoted this company for this product due to the great price. While the product was repaired due to great luck and fortune and I am overall satisfied with the end result the company never the less failed in a number of areas so I stated the facts of my experience and tagged it as a negative rating. This morning Gerald called to discuss my feedback and here is the resulting email as sent to Gerald and his supervisors.

http://www.socalelectronics.com/home.asp

Gerald,

My feedback:
no email, shipped grnd instead of 2day air, rcvd defective unable to exchange

Your comment:
this was the most dificult costomer i have delt with..he tells you how to sell?

Your feedback to my account:
Total Jerk and tries to tell you how to sell your product. as if i am a child.

My feedback to that:
No email, shipped ground instead of air, can't exchange - you own this problem

Last statement to me over the phone.

Gerald said,
#11
Richard...I am familiar with the projector in question. I noticed there is not much discussion of it over at projector central...I think you would be amazed with the Panasonic PT-AE900U projector. I cannot believe you can buy a projector of this quality for a mere 1800.00 bucks. I have the 700U as well in my bedroom, and no problems with it after over a year...The 900U is basically the same projector as the 700U...They bumped up the contrast to 5500:1 (real world 3500)...and it is whisper quiet 23db It has a joy stick lense shift and 2.0 throw...(easy mount rear wall, ceiling)...It is rated #1 at Projector Central and if you buy it you'll see why...Just thought I'd make a suggestion...You will love it and for the price you would have an excellent projector to watch till true 1080P comes out... :lol:
#12
My last post may have inferred my Samsung is not working but the projector is working, thank god!

I know you are a big fan of the Panasonic entry level products and for good reason. They are designed for the first time front projection do-it-yourself consumer and are very adaptable to many applications and do not require an accurate installation. While they will create images that will satisfy such consumers those images do not meet imaging science without turning off all the supposedly cool dynamic features like dynamic iris. While the response greatly improves you are left with other problems that cannot be overcome with the biggest one being poor dynamic range due to limitations in black level.

While I was impressed with the PTAE700U on the surface it was not working for me long term due to that. My eyes know better and it simply could not deliver and nor will the new 900 version.

I was considering buying an older DLP used until I saw this deal on the Samsung that I could not refuse. While there were some problems that Socal needs to address, at $1200 less I remain satisfied even if I would have had to wait weeks on the repair.

So far every thing I throw at it is a revelation in what I have been missing. Seems like every subtle nuance of imaging is provided from luminance to color that I simply have not seen with any other display I have worked with. Not only does it do black it does color free black creating subtle variations in that area I simply have not seen but knew was there and to think the black is going to get even blacker once I hit about 200 hours. Then there is the constant 3D look...

The perfect 1.78 to 2.35 zoom with the precision worm gear lens shift has been awesomely convenient with my constant height 2.35 screen. Set the focus and simply move the zoom from one end to the other, tweak lens shift.

At 3.5 screen heights it looks like a CRT!

The main reason you have not heard any buzz is the budget videophile version just started shipping but the buzz is developing over at AVS forum as I understand and it is developing within the ISF community as well. Bottom line, nearly everyone agrees this is the current videophile bargain of the decade if video standards are your passion regardless of the 720P limitation.

As a Projector Central fan bear in mind they are into sales, not imaging science. They will NOT provide a negative review of a product they intend to sell so any negative finding will be spun out to favor the price versus performance factor. With that in mind I think the performance nuances are self evident in their review of the Samsung and to their credit they do give a beginning and final conclusion that is a clear statement of performance. That said I do not necessarily agree with all of their comments and hopefully will have the time to provide a review of the PTAE700U and the SP-H710AE.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/samsung_sph710.htm

And all that said this projector may not be for you! To get peak performance will require accurate ceiling mount, the right screen and room with a proper viewing distance of 3 screen heights or greater; consultation with an ISF imaging professional would be of great benefit. Not everybody wants to do that, hence the fine do-it-yourself entry level products from Panasonic.
#15
Hi Richard,

A little more than a month has passed now since you received your unit ... how are you enjoying it and have you been pleased with your selection?

Looking forward to a brief review from an HDTV pro and admitted videophile.
#16
Gosh, things have been crazy... This may end up as a review article for the site. Quick scoop:

What more could I want?

Color isolation in customer menu to check color decoder

Faster color wheel with more sections. Rainbow visibility is kinda open ended and would take awhile to put in perspective but more speed is better in this regard.

1080P

:lol:

It is one of the few pieces that looked OK out of the box in my life. Beyond a basic calibration and level check I have not felt a need to whip out an analyzer. In fact it has been astounding and very revealing as is. Once I do finally make those checks I expect it to be very close if not right on.

At 3.5 screen heights or beyond this product definitely represents one of the great videophile 720P FP values I have been talking about for months now! There are and will be others as the market goes 1080P crazy.

I am also thrilled that I bought when I did because the $2800 price appears to have gone into yesteryear. Current pricing is typically $3500 now.
#17
Current pricing is now at about $2200... Still an awesome projector provided you are not sitting too close!
#18
Appreciated this string as I am preparing to purchase my first front projector and the Samsung is at the top of my list. How would you compare it to the Sanyo PLV-z5? I will have a dedicated room and will use it 90% for movie (DVD) viewing. Is the Samsung worth the extra $ for the "Film-like" quality over the Sanyo? I intend on using the Carada Criterion Series screen with a Brilliant White finish, 90 - 100". Viewing distance approximately 11 feet from the screen. Finally, I do not see the projector listed for less that $2.9K. Appreciate your feedback. Thanks,

Scott Roney
Oceanside, CA

Denon AVR-3806 Receiver
Denon DVD-2930CI DVD player
#19
and a newly designed LCD panel, achieving a contrast level as high as 10,000:1

Video lies and snake oil... it is transmissive LCD and that contrast ratio is a due to dynamic iris and gamma manipulation. You won't percieve that experience because it is an artificial made up spec; article coming out shortly... That does not make it a bad projector. The Samsung will out perform it though provided you're not DLP rainbow adverse.

Saw $2200 again just a day or two ago at ebay. BTW, new stock on this product is just about sold out leaving B-stock for a short term and then used only.

Have not heard a word about a new Samsung/JKP 1080P version...
#20
:idea:
The last 3 front projection theater projects I've designed and installed have included the 710 and two model 800 units. My customers are thrilled with the performance and image quality of these products. I didn't make as much money as I could, if I had specified other projectors, but that's never my top criterion. It's the performance of the final system that is most important to me.

I talked to Joe this week about progress on a 1080p version. He hopes to demo a prototype at the CeBIT show but it's up to Samsung's engineers. Samsung is very mindful of competition with Sony's 'Pearl' LCoS at $5k, and would like to match or beat Sony's price. However, Joe is confident his projector should outperform the $20k Marantz or the Sim2 DLPs. He also mentioned the optics will be superb. I told him I would be happy if it came in under $10k, considering its competition and its expected superior image fidelity.

Thus far, all the displays Joe has had a leading hand in designing have not been commercial successes. For some reason that eludes me, most folks don't regard image fidelity as their top priority when choosing a display. I can understand price obstacles. If you can't afford it, you won't buy it. Some other design obstacles may also be understandable. It's impossible to design a device that fulfills every possible requirement. Too many times I've seen people stare blankly into space when the topic of image fidelity is discussed. Most people seem to respond to "colors that really pop," rather than "original artist's intent."

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.
www.cinemaquestinc.com

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"
#21
Open Box/New:

Ebay: $2200.00
Legendmicro.com: $1799.00
BroadwayPhoto.com: $1666.00
#23
I won't be letting go of mine! You got a steal of deal at less than $900 considering the reference quality of the display and Tiger isn't the only one. Just remember ya gotta be over 3 screen heights or you WILL see pixels.

BTW, the 1080p version is expected soon... :idea:
#24
:idea:
I couldn't resist. Mine's on the way. I'll probably also end up with the 1080p if Samsung gets their act together and offers a real marketing and distribution plan this time. Joe Kane has announced that he will be demonstrating the pre-production sample at CEDIA EXPO in September. He told me he was pleased with the unit he inspected in S. Korea. Samsung's intent is to compete in price with Sony's SXRD offerings. Joe assured me this new version will outperform everything out there, even units selling for $20k.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.
www.cinemaquestinc.com

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"
#25
Richard, did they ever figure out the start up issues they were having?...I know there were tons of QC issues and failed units...I was just curious... :?:
#26
don't know about all that...

Here on the site is a thread about my experience from being DOA, I fixed it, to premature lamp failure which was an exchange. The current one is doing fine although it has not been fired up for a while due to heavy 1080p useage for me but I did use it until the TV season ended for all 720P content like Lost and American Idol as well as sopme 720p PS3 games.

Right now I am stuck on 1080p via HD disc and World of Warcraft...
#27
Richard...are you still using the PT-AE1000U?...or have you moved on to something else?...Like maybe the JVC?... :D
#28
The PTAE1000 is still in the stable for reviews of sources due to the waveform monitor. It also makes a great 1080p backup if my main fails which is the BenQ W10000. Did you read the review?

BenQ W10000 1080p DLP Front Projector

At the bottom is a link to the PTAE1000 review...