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Rodolfo La Maestra
Would you prefer ugly 3D glasses or ugly 3DTV images? Maybe neither.
by Rodolfo La Maestra on October 31, 2011 Categories: 3D HDTV

On the previous 4 articles I detailed the differences of the technologies currently in the market for glasses-required 3DTVs, active-shutter and passive polarized. Here is part 1, which links to the other three. I received some questions and remarks from readers and others in the industry regarding the articles. The comments lead me to believe that the concepts are still hard to comprehend by some, so I decided to summarize the subject using a simple visual comparison in one article.

I previously mentioned that one typical difference between the technologies is the 3D glasses, passive glasses are polarized, cheaper, and lighter, active shutter glasses are bulkier and comparatively expensive due to the electronics within them. However, limited information has been published regarding picture quality other than passive technology shows two half-resolution polarized images, and active shutter technology shows two full resolution images alternating them time-sequentially.

LG Display’s passive method claims to show the 3D Blu-ray resolution that typical passive 3DTVs ignore, but the 3DTV set still interleaves lines from both angles and renders a half-resolution image on every video frame, but the twist is: it does it with up-side-down video line pairs on its second video cycle. The inverted order is received as is by the 3D glasses and the eyes. Here is a quick visual comparison of a pair of video lines/pixels displayed by the technologies:

Active Shutter (Left Eye)

Passive Glasses (Film-Patterned-Retardant) merges left/right half-resolution images all the time

LG’s Passive Glasses (FPR), merges left/right half-resolution images, and up-side-down half of the time

The above shows only two video lines on each technology to highlight the difference. Notice the angle shift of the line-pair of the passive method, it never shows the full image on either angle/eye, and notice LG’s interleaving angles with inverted content in the line-pairs during the second 120Hz cycle.

Inverted lines? How would the rest of the image look with more content? As I did before, I show miniature content into the pixels so you can see the details (to facilitate visual comparison I omit the distracting black lines of passive FPR shown above, although they are present on every passive 3DTV):

Imagine the rest of the images in the three technologies until line 1080.

Landscaping above the roof?

The Queen Victoria captain’s bridge under the ship itself?

My 60-pound Chow levitating above my head?

A wine-glass floating above the neck of the wine-bottle?

The Vatican may question the artistic display of “Arnaldo Pomodoro’s donation of Sfera con Sfera (1990)” where half “Sfera” is floating above its inverted other half.

LG Display claims that their 3DTVs with passive glasses are preferred by viewers and offer 3D images similar to local theaters using the same type of passive 3D glasses. Frankly, the similitude with 3D local theaters starts and ends with the cheap polarized glasses. Typical local 3D theaters do not show half-resolution images; neither they show inverted line-pairs within 3D images.

Some consumers may feel inclined to passive 3DTV because the 3D glasses are cheaper and do not need a thorough evaluation of image quality in 2D and 3D. Additionally, the reality is that 3D viewing is and will be sporadic in the near future, and that 3D is and should be considered as just one more feature of an HDTV primarily used to watch 2D. A concern that should not be overlooked is that the Film Patterned Retarder extra layer of the passive TV screen has the potential to affect the image quality of every day’s HD viewing.

However, even when considering all the factors above, some viewers may still prefer passive technology for their own reasons, one example could be if the active-shutter technology has caused visual discomfort or showed unacceptable image crosstalk/flicker when displaying 3D, and under such circumstances the cost of the 3D glasses would be totally irrelevant for the choice. Regardless, both technologies should coexist in parallel rather than battling to displace each other, and on doing that they should respect each other’s features, weaknesses, and merits.

Posted by Rodolfo La Maestra, October 31, 2011 7:00 AM

Reader Commentary

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cpto • Oct 31, 8:23am
A friend and I both looked at a couple of passive sets at a local Best Buy. Even though he's not very critical of displays, he immediately noticed the degraded picture, especially when the 3D demo ended and the TV returned to a 2-D display. The missing lines were very obvious.

Maybe it was not set up properly, or maybe it was the bright lights of the showroom, but we both agreed that the sets weren't worth owning given the poor picture.

FWIW, we were both judging the picture against a 65" Panny plasma I own....
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DavidEC • Oct 31, 10:51pm
I have tried to read all the articles on the in home 3D and current technology...

One thing that I seem to notice is that the when the PASSIVE sets are being compared to active-shutter sets that does not seem to get written about and the one "BIG" topic in a small living room is off center viewing.

The active-shutter reviews when just reviewing a single set seem to point out the off center viewing, with all other things being equal it seems that the active-shutter sets allow better off center / side viewing of the set.

I sure hope this is true as I could not find an in-store display that would allow me to move off center and ordered a Plasma 43" 3D set based on this one selling point alone. As my front seating will be about 6' from the screen at about 30' off center... the farther back in the room the more on center the seating becomes.

The set will be delivered later this week and I will install this coming weekend.


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memofo • Nov 1, 4:00am
Wow! You really hate passive. You claim that both systems should coexist but you never really talk about actives faults to the degree you talk about passives. How many times in all your articles have you stated that passive systems half the resolution?

You Mentioning Passives Half Resolution Just in the first 1/4 of your first article:
(1) You state, "Manufacturers of passive polarized 3DTVs "claim" their glasses are low cost, that the image is similar to what viewers experienced at some local theaters, and that viewers generally not notice the half resolution per eye (540 lines out of 1080 per eye"

(Counter point: How many active owners notice flicker? You don't focus on this point nearly as much throughout your entire study, or any of actives faults for that matter)

(2) You state, "Although the passive technology shows only 540 lines out of the 1080 lines of resolution per eye the big fuss is that the two half-resolution 3D images are shown to each corr...
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Rodolfo • Nov 1, 12:29pm
DavidEC,

LCD 3DTV passive and active-shutter uses LCD panel technology which has been known for years for its typical degradation of color, contrast, and brightness when your horizontal viewing is increasingly away from the straight center viewing position. LCD manufacturers continuously claim up 178 degrees on specs, which is almost parallel to the TV frame, I suggest for you to see LCD from that extreme angle and compare it to plasma. 3D adds the vertical angle viewing limitation to the above, which is not your case but since you said you have restricted viewing space you should know that. In my experience the increased degradation of LCD imaging (in 2D and 3D) starts to be noticeable pass the +-15% point off-center (+-10% off-center in the experience of some comprehensive tests) and that is regardless of 3D.

However, you may still need LCD for specific reasons, for example a) room light conditions require a bright screen and LCD is better than plasma in that regard, b) the co...
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DavidEC • Nov 1, 8:40pm
DavidEC, ....Before you purchase I suggest for you to do your own viewing to confirm that you would be pleased, rather than ordering online without even seeing the image, as many do. The 3D effect on LG passive would not be good if viewing too close (as your case of 6-feet), and from that close range you will see the distracting 540 black lines of the FPR grid....

I went to my local "Best Buy" and viewed the 2D image of same set that I ended up purchasing vers the LCD sets in the same price range. I know that the sets were not color tuned. And they did not have freely to ware glasses for a 3D comparison.
I have been watching a Plasma set for the last five years and know about the glare issue.. but is not as bad or worse than the older 32" tube set that it replaced.

The box is sitting in my office now waiting for me to unpack.. but just too tired after work.
And I got the Samsung 43" PN43D490 as I do not have ...
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Rodolfo • Nov 2, 12:37pm
DavidEc,

I thought you were getting a Panasonic plasma, that was the one I recommended. Any reason why you did not choose Panasonic?

After Pioneer Elite was discontinued the plasmas from Panasonic have taken their place regarding image quality.

Best Regards,

Rodolfo La Maestra...
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DavidEC • Nov 2, 2:35pm
DavidEc,
I thought you were getting a Panasonic plasma, that was the one I recommended. Any reason why you did not choose Panasonic?
Rodolfo La Maestra

I have had a real bad experience with Panasonic reliability and warranty service in the past in my market area.
TV's which did not work after 50days that had to be replaced which after the second replacement Panasonic would not honor warranty claiming local electrical troubles even after a letter from my local service provider stating that my wiring exceed local codes.

The COST the Panasonic was close to $200 more in my area.

I could of gone with a 'LG' for the same price as the 'Samsung' but the ones I saw live had really bad off center viewing in the show room.

avid...
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Rodolfo • Nov 2, 7:16pm
DavidEC,

Sorry to hear about your Panasonic experience, at least the set did not catch fire like the Vizio or Sony.

I hope you are aware that the panel you purchased is 720p, actually 1024x768 native which gives 20% less horizontal pixels than the 1280 of the 720p resolution standard, which means even 720 content would have to be scaled down to that native pixel grid and 1080i/p all the time, therefore all images would have to go thru video procesing scaling, and with only 786K pixels the panel is a bit shy to qualify for HD in my book (720p is 921k pixels, 1080p is 2073k pixels). All depends of the application.

Based on the 43 inches and 768p the following data could give you an idea of the viewing distances and angles, and what to expect.

Your 6 feet viewing distance would give you about 29 degrees of lateral angle of view for a fair content immersion (SMPTE recommends 30 or greater, THX recommends 36 or greater), but sitting too close to increase the angle of view and excite ...
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DavidEC • Nov 2, 7:43pm
DavidEC,
THX recommends 4.8 feet of viewing distance (with a maximum of 6.8 ) and SMPTE recommends 5.8 feet to obtain their recommended angles of view (36 and 30 degrees respectively).

Rodolfo:

Thanks for the info, only trouble is, too many times when it comes to "TV"s the numbers don't always tell the whole story!

I did plenty of searches and reading before going with Samsung (which really would not of been my first choice ) but it seemed that there were very few negative postings, unlike sets of like size and price, where the buyers were very upset with their purchase. And this was from posting over five different forums. this set and its sister 51" set were loved by most buyers and it seems that there was only bit of trouble with the factory settings was in the over all 'BLACK' setting which it seems that a little bit of tweeking of the color setting gets the black under control, still not perfect, but for the m...
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jordanm • Nov 3, 9:10am
15-20 minutes into 3D, active or passive, and my head hurts. Not much longer I am nauseous, and about one hour in, prone to vomiting.

It may be because one eye is quite near-sighted with a little astigmatism, and the other eye is far less near-sighted with a good deal of astigmatism. I have read people with eyes with two different prescriptions have 3D problems, and I believe those articles.

I'll stick with my Kuro Elite Pro-151FD for a while, and go straight to 8K TV once it arrives. Meanwhile, try to capture anywhere near the IQ the Kuro has on any of these sets. Even the new Elites (Sharp) cannot yet.

You may think I am being snobbish, but I go to CES every year, and see all the new tech for myself. I can see very well with eye correction, contacts for distance @ 20/15, glasses @ 20/20 (or with contacts, readers) for close up....

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About Rodolfo La Maestra

Rodolfo La Maestra is the Senior Technical Director at HDTV Magazine and participated in the HDTV vision since the late 1980's. In the late 1990's, he began tracking all HDTV consumer equipment, and since 2002 he authors the annual HDTV Technology Review report covering HDTVs, Hi-def DVD, content providers, broadcast, cable, satellite, government, standards, connectivity, content protection, H/DTV tuners and DVRs, etc. In addition Rodolfo has authored a variety of tutorials, books, and educative articles for HDTV Magazine, DVDetc, and HDTVetc Magazines, Veritas et Visus Newsletter, Display Search, and served as technical consultant/editor for the "Reference Guide" and the "HDTV Glossary of Terms" for HDTVetc and HDTV Magazines. In 2004, he began recording a weekly HDTV technology program for MD Cable television, which by 2006 reached the rating of second most viewed by the public, here is the opening episode.

Rodolfo's background encompasses Electronic Engineering, Computer Science, and Audio and Video Electronics, over 4,700 hours of professional training, a BS in Computer and Information Systems, and over thirty professional and post-graduate certifications, some from American, George Washington, and MIT Universities. Rodolfo was also Computer Science professor for over 700 students in five institutions between 1966-1973 in Argentina, for IBM, Burroughs, and Honeywell mainframes. After 38 years of computer systems career, Rodolfo retired in 2003 as Chief of Systems Development from the Inter-American Development Bank where he directed 65 software-development computer professionals, supporting member countries in north/central/south America 24x7.

In parallel, from 1998 he helped the public with his other career of audio/video electronics. Rodolfo started with hi-end audio in the early 60’s and merged with Home Theater video, multichannel audio, widescreen laser disc, anamorphic DVD, 16x9 NTSC displays, HDTV, Hi-def DVD, IPTV, HDMI, and 2.35:1 Cinemascope HD Home Theater over the past 40+ years.

When HDTV started airing in November 1998, he was an early adopter of HDTV and realized that the technology as implemented would overwhelm regular consumers due to its complexity, and it certainly does even today. Rodolfo then launched his HDTV mission of educating and helping consumers understand the complexity, the challenge, and the beauty of the technology, so the public learns to appreciate HDTV not just as another television.